we never hear any stories about positive with respect to our government. it's always negativity, fighting. there is no leadership. nobody is getting along. >> clayton: let's talk about these numbers. chris wallace was saying yesterday, when you're in these negotiations negotiations and you've done a lot of these, so take us hyped behind the scenes. most numbers won't find out about the numbers outside of the room. how much taxes will be raised and those making $400,000, truth is, we don't know, right, because you're in those closed doors and no one outside of it is privy to that information at this hour. >> that's right. and i heard chris' statement and i agree with it 100%, the ones that really know, they're not talking. the talkers are the ones that don't know what's going on. the fact is, and i thought it was a very good segment 'cause it's true. but the fact is that it doesn't matter whether or not we know. the small group of people that should know, and those are the people that are supposed to be leading this people and they're not leading the countr